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HERPES SIMPLEX

[NOTE: This is an extract from a lecture given by Harvey L. Rose, M.D. during the 1972 Medical Symposium in Phoenix, Arizona.]

    Rather than go into any extensive clinical data (it’ll be extensive enough as I go through it), I want to summarize several areas in which the Cayce material medical has come to my aid.  The largest series I have going involves the use of Atomidine and Glyco-Thymoline in the treatment of canker sores or aphthoustomatitis and the herpes fever blisters.  The recalcitrance of these lesions is well known, and I recall in medical school being told that no matter how they are or are not treated, it takes several weeks for resolution to occur.

    In February of 1971 this past year, this past year somehow by accident or by design when Kenalog in Orabase was not relieving canker sores (an epidemic of canker sores in my family), I somehow stumbled on the use of Atomidine and Glyco-Thymoline applied in that order directly to the canker sores.  The Atomidine was first applied so that there was contact with the sore for at least 30 seconds and then followed by Glyco-Thymoline.  I'm sure I don't have to explain Atomidine and Glyco-Thymoline to anybody in this audience.

    In the readings, Atomidine has a cleansing effect on the glands, and Glyco-Thymoline restores alkaline balance to the body systematically as well as locally.  Of course, iodine is basically an antiseptic in any form.  The readings state that an acid condition may preclude to canker sores.  In reading 369-8:

Q.  What causes sores in the mouth and on the tongue from time to time?
A.  This is as the indication from the irritation in the duodenum and the stomach itself, see?  This from acid in the system.

    The patient was advised to use milk of magnesia or milk or bismuth and to avoid acid producing diets.

    In reading 648-1, Ipsab as a wash and massage was advised for sores in the mouth.  703-1 reads as follows:

    Superacidity in this system from regurgitation of gastric juices and gases [this must be from burps] made for sores or cold and sores in lips or mouth.

Reading 246-1:

Q.  What produces the canker sores in the mouth?  What will prevent them?
A.  These are from the acidity in the system.  Thus necessity of eliminating the poisons by the colonics, the general hydrotherapy treatments.  If these will be used, a good alkaline antiseptic for gums such as Lavoris or Glyco-Thymoline, we find this will aid in keeping the mouth fresh and clear.

    Much to our pleasant surprise - I'll just call them A & G now so I won't use up too much of my 40 minutes - these worked so that one could resume normal eating habits immediately, and the sores disappeared in a few days.  Since the first case (which was my wife Alice - it's always safest to try these Cayce things in your own home first before you start using them in the general community and also on you office personnel - they're very good subjects) there have been 30 or more patients I've had with canker sores, five with fever blisters, and a few had the misfortune to have both at the same time.  All but two of the canker sores responded dramatically.  One of them was an ex-nurse in our office, and those in the profession are the hardest patients to treat.  I was going to tell how theirs did not respond, but I'm not going to use up my time on that.  Suffice it to say that they were helped temporarily and then the effect seemed to wane and then by continuing the A & G plus using standard treatment like Kenalog in Orabase and the tetracycline antibiotic, they did finally get better.

    But in the majority of the patients who did get better, the pattern is almost predictable.  The burning caused by the Atomidine (you'll have to warn the patient that there's a slight stinging and burning sensation caused by Atomidine - and this is almost immediately relieved by the application of the Glyco-Thymoline), then the person's able to eat, drink, and hopefully be merry after the application of the medication.  However, the pain may recur in a few hours and is relieved by another application.  So if it's not hurting and they aren't putting it on as often, well, so much the better.

    In one to three days, the pain does not recur, and two to five days after the start of therapy, the ulcers are gone.  One patient was improving, but after the second day, she spilled the Atomidine and continued only with the Glyco-Thymoline with no further improvement.  Upon resuming the combination therapy, all ulcers were gone in three days.

    Since that early case, I've been reluctant to change my course of therapy.  I suppose in the interest of science, regular iodine and baking soda applications could be attempted, but it's so difficult to change your therapy when you have a winner.

    As a part of the experimental model, I have been keeping lemon/lime juice in the office.  An 18-month-old infant was brought in because he wouldn't eat or drink anything for about 36 hours, and even that day he refused even water.

    The A & G was applied to an ulcer in the soft palate, water was offered the child, but he refused.  Finally, after much coaxing with me out of the room, the mother finally got him to drink some water, and be just drank it down with-out any trouble at all.  Then the lemon/lime was offered, and he drank that down also greedily.  I think in an 18-month-old it would be very hard to call this a placebo effect by the doctor putting something on.  I don't think an 18- month-old could be too susceptible to that.  No other applications were made.  We just did the first application in the office.  He ate well for the next two days, but the sore was still there.  On the third afternoon the pain recurred a little bit, but by the fourth day everything was all gone.

    A 19-year-old girl bad a severe canker ulcer on the lower lateral mucosa of her lip for two weeks.  She went to a local emergency room, and the doctor there applied silver nitrate.  I would not advise this.  That night her jaw swelled up.  Her entire jaw and lips swelled up, and I had to call in codeine for her.  The doctor that put on the silver nitrate didn't feel the codeine was necessary.  The next day she came in the office with her swollen lower lip and jaw.  A & G were applied, and the pain went away almost immediately.  That night she was able to go to work.  The pain and swelling were gone; the entire ulcer was gone in three days.  Three weeks later, she had another small sore on her upper lip.  She used the A & G. Pain was gone in one day; ulcer in three days.

    Another woman came into the office (I finally bought a better camera.  These photos were taken by my nurse's Polaroid.  I hope to have some better photographs in the future.  For this particular woman, a tape recorder would have done better than a photograph.) She came in because her husband couldn't understand her.  She talked like this: [imitating garbled speech].   She had this sore on her tongue, and this was the only way she could talk.  Every time her tongue hit the roof of her mouth it just hurt too much!  I put the Atomidine on followed with Glyco-Thymoline, and then she said in a normal voice: "How often do I have to put this stuff on?" It was just really unbelievable!  She was applying the A & G three days later because a little of the pain recurred and next day no pain at all, and the sores on her tongue were completely gone in six days.

    A 38-year-old man with Bechaf's syndrome (This is one of those rare syndromes that you have to look up in the books) was referred to me by some who knew about the Cayce readings, and part of this syndrome is recurrent aphthous ulcers in the mouth.  Etiology is unknown.  He's been on maintenance Prednisolone and Cytoxan.  These are pretty hefty drugs for canker sores, but he's got other problems with his eyes and so forth.  In the past, he would have to increase the dosage of one or both medications when the sores returned to his mouth plus using Kenalog in Orabase.  Since given A & G, he has not had to increase his oral medication. He uses A & G about 30 minutes before meals making the act of eating almost painless and whereas the total duration of pain used to last eight to ten days prior to A & G, now they last four to five days with the use of A & G.

    Gladys and Bill (McGarey) have told me that they've been using Ipsab in the treatment of these canker sores, and I'd be interested to know their comparable results.  Again, I've been reluctant to try anything else since A & G has been used so successfully, and I again mention that whenever these sores recur in the future in the same patients, the use of A & G has shortened the time of resolution.  Once the data is all collected, I really hope to publish on this, and I would encourage those of you here working with the Cayce readings to use Ipsab and Atomidine and Glyco-Thymoline as I've mentioned and tell us of your results perhaps through the monthly bulletin that Bill sends out.

    I want to warn you now that follow up on these patients is very, very difficult.  When a treatment is successful, they usually don't call back to tell you.  If it's not successful, you hear from them.  In order to have the patients remember how they're doing, you have to call them up every two or three days to find out what's going on.  If you ask them two or three months later, they'll forget the exact timing of how they got better.

    Also, with regard to Ipsab - I feel like saying: "Will the real Ipsab please stand up?" This is the liquid Ipsab we get from Arvin Pharmacy, and this is the Ipsab that I got from Ingram Pharmacy in Virginia Beach.  It looks like something like rock salt.  The Ipsab we've been using is the liquid Ipsab.  Use the liquid Ipsab from Arvin and see what results you get from that because this stuff (from Ingram Pharmacy) is really terrible to use.

    I should pass out two photographs (again, these are taken with my nurse's Polaroid camera) of a young boy who had a three-day history of severe aphthoustomatitis, and you'll see in the first picture he's got three of these canker sores on his lower lip and one on his tongue.  He wasn't getting any relief from glyoxide, was having difficulty eating.  But given A & G, he was able to eat normally by the following day, and the sores were gone in four days.  You can see in the second film a very slight erythema in the areas where the canker sores were. (As I say, I've got a better camera now, an Instatech which takes close-ups.  I hope to have some better pictures on this to prove to some of our medical colleagues how these spontaneous remissions are going.)


Note: The above information is not intended for self-diagnosis or self-treatment.  Please consult a qualified health care professional for assistance in applying the information contained in the Cayce Health Database.
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