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[NOTE: This is an extract from a lecture given by Harvey
L. Rose, M.D. during the 1972 Medical Symposium in Phoenix, Arizona.]
Rather than go into any extensive clinical data (itâ€™ll
be extensive enough as I go through it), I want to summarize several
areas in which the Cayce material medical has come to my aid. The
largest series I have going involves the use of Atomidine and Glyco-Thymoline
in the treatment of canker sores or aphthoustomatitis and the herpes fever
blisters. The recalcitrance of these lesions is well known, and
I recall in medical school being told that no matter how they are or are
not treated, it takes several weeks for resolution to occur.
In February of 1971 this past year, this past year
somehow by accident or by design when Kenalog in Orabase was not relieving
canker sores (an epidemic of canker sores in my family), I somehow stumbled
on the use of Atomidine and Glyco-Thymoline applied in that order directly
to the canker sores. The Atomidine was first applied so that there
was contact with the sore for at least 30 seconds and then followed by
Glyco-Thymoline. I'm sure I don't have to explain Atomidine and
Glyco-Thymoline to anybody in this audience.
In the readings, Atomidine has a cleansing effect
on the glands, and Glyco-Thymoline restores alkaline balance to the body
systematically as well as locally. Of course, iodine is basically
an antiseptic in any form. The readings state that an acid condition
may preclude to canker sores. In reading 369-8:
Q. What causes sores in the mouth and on the tongue from time
A. This is as the indication from the irritation in the duodenum
and the stomach itself, see? This from acid in the system.
The patient was advised to use milk of magnesia or
milk or bismuth and to avoid acid producing diets.
In reading 648-1, Ipsab as a wash and massage was
advised for sores in the mouth. 703-1 reads as follows:
Superacidity in this system from regurgitation
of gastric juices and gases [this must be from burps] made for sores or
cold and sores in lips or mouth.
Q. What produces the canker sores in the mouth? What will
A. These are from the acidity in the system. Thus necessity
of eliminating the poisons by the colonics, the general hydrotherapy treatments.
If these will be used, a good alkaline antiseptic for gums such as Lavoris
or Glyco-Thymoline, we find this will aid in keeping the mouth fresh and
Much to our pleasant surprise - I'll just call them
A & G now so I won't use up too much of my 40 minutes - these worked
so that one could resume normal eating habits immediately, and the sores
disappeared in a few days. Since the first case (which was my wife
Alice - it's always safest to try these Cayce things in your own home first
before you start using them in the general community and also on you office
personnel - they're very good subjects) there have been 30 or more patients
I've had with canker sores, five with fever blisters, and a few had the
misfortune to have both at the same time. All but two of the canker
sores responded dramatically. One of them was an ex-nurse in our
office, and those in the profession are the hardest patients to treat.
I was going to tell how theirs did not respond, but I'm not going to use
up my time on that. Suffice it to say that they were helped temporarily
and then the effect seemed to wane and then by continuing the A &
G plus using standard treatment like Kenalog in Orabase and the tetracycline
antibiotic, they did finally get better.
But in the majority of the patients who did get better,
the pattern is almost predictable. The burning caused by the Atomidine
(you'll have to warn the patient that there's a slight stinging and burning
sensation caused by Atomidine - and this is almost immediately relieved
by the application of the Glyco-Thymoline), then the person's able to
eat, drink, and hopefully be merry after the application of the medication.
However, the pain may recur in a few hours and is relieved by another
So if it's not hurting and they aren't putting it on as often, well, so
much the better.
In one to three days, the pain does not recur, and
two to five days after the start of therapy, the ulcers are gone.
One patient was improving, but after the second day, she spilled the Atomidine
and continued only with the Glyco-Thymoline with no further improvement.
Upon resuming the combination therapy, all ulcers were gone in three days.
Since that early case, I've been reluctant to change
my course of therapy. I suppose in the interest of science, regular
iodine and baking soda applications could be attempted, but it's so difficult
to change your therapy when you have a winner.
As a part of the experimental model, I have been keeping
lemon/lime juice in the office. An 18-month-old infant was brought
in because he wouldn't eat or drink anything for about 36 hours, and even
that day he refused even water.
The A & G was applied to an ulcer in the soft
palate, water was offered the child, but he refused. Finally, after
much coaxing with me out of the room, the mother finally got him to drink
some water, and be just drank it down with-out any trouble at all.
Then the lemon/lime was offered, and he drank that down also greedily.
I think in an 18-month-old it would be very hard to call this a placebo
effect by the doctor putting something on. I don't think an 18-
month-old could be too susceptible to that. No other applications
were made. We just did the first application in the office.
He ate well for the next two days, but the sore was still there.
On the third afternoon the pain recurred a little bit, but by the fourth
day everything was all gone.
A 19-year-old girl bad a severe canker ulcer on the
lower lateral mucosa of her lip for two weeks. She went to a local
emergency room, and the doctor there applied silver nitrate. I would
not advise this. That night her jaw swelled up. Her entire
jaw and lips swelled up, and I had to call in codeine for her. The
doctor that put on the silver nitrate didn't feel the codeine was necessary.
The next day she came in the office with her swollen lower lip and jaw.
A & G were applied, and the pain went away almost immediately.
That night she was able to go to work. The pain and swelling were
gone; the entire ulcer was gone in three days. Three weeks later,
she had another small sore on her upper lip. She used the A &
G. Pain was gone in one day; ulcer in three days.
Another woman came into the office (I finally bought
a better camera. These photos were taken by my nurse's Polaroid.
I hope to have some better photographs in the future. For this particular
woman, a tape recorder would have done better than a photograph.) She
came in because her husband couldn't understand her. She talked
like this: [imitating garbled speech]. She had this sore on
her tongue, and this was the only way she could talk. Every time
her tongue hit the roof of her mouth it just hurt too much! I put
the Atomidine on followed with Glyco-Thymoline, and then she said in a
normal voice: "How often do I have to put this stuff on?" It was just
really unbelievable! She was applying the A & G three days later
because a little of the pain recurred and next day no pain at all, and
the sores on her tongue were completely gone in six days.
A 38-year-old man with Bechaf's syndrome (This is
one of those rare syndromes that you have to look up in the books) was
referred to me by some who knew about the Cayce readings, and part of
this syndrome is recurrent aphthous ulcers in the mouth. Etiology
is unknown. He's been on maintenance Prednisolone and Cytoxan.
These are pretty hefty drugs for canker sores, but he's got other problems
with his eyes and so forth. In the past, he would have to increase
the dosage of one or both medications when the sores returned to his mouth
plus using Kenalog in Orabase. Since given A & G, he has not
had to increase his oral medication. He uses A & G about 30 minutes
before meals making the act of eating almost painless and whereas the
total duration of pain used to last eight to ten days prior to A &
G, now they last four to five days with the use of A & G.
Gladys and Bill (McGarey) have told me that they've
been using Ipsab in the treatment of these canker sores, and I'd be interested
to know their comparable results. Again, I've been reluctant to
try anything else since A & G has been used so successfully, and I
again mention that whenever these sores recur in the future in the same
patients, the use of A & G has shortened the time of resolution.
Once the data is all collected, I really hope to publish on this, and
I would encourage those of you here working with the Cayce readings to
use Ipsab and Atomidine and Glyco-Thymoline as I've mentioned and tell
us of your results perhaps through the monthly bulletin that Bill sends
I want to warn you now that follow up on these patients
is very, very difficult. When a treatment is successful, they usually
don't call back to tell you. If it's not successful, you hear from
them. In order to have the patients remember how they're doing,
you have to call them up every two or three days to find out what's going
on. If you ask them two or three months later, they'll forget the
exact timing of how they got better.
Also, with regard to Ipsab - I feel like saying: "Will
the real Ipsab please stand up?" This is the liquid Ipsab we get from
Arvin Pharmacy, and this is the Ipsab that I got from Ingram Pharmacy
in Virginia Beach. It looks like something like rock salt.
The Ipsab we've been using is the liquid Ipsab. Use the liquid Ipsab
from Arvin and see what results you get from that because this stuff (from
Ingram Pharmacy) is really terrible to use.
I should pass out two photographs (again, these are
taken with my nurse's Polaroid camera) of a young boy who had a three-day
history of severe aphthoustomatitis, and you'll see in the first picture
he's got three of these canker sores on his lower lip and one on his tongue.
He wasn't getting any relief from glyoxide, was having difficulty eating.
But given A & G, he was able to eat normally by the following day,
and the sores were gone in four days. You can see in the second
film a very slight erythema in the areas where the canker sores were.
(As I say, I've got a better camera now, an Instatech which takes close-ups.
I hope to have some better pictures on this to prove to some of our medical
colleagues how these spontaneous remissions are going.)
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